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The Durable Value Podcast
In this episode of Durable Value, we dive deep into one of the greatest paradoxes in investing: the tension between detachment and conviction. How do you balance making data-driven, unemotional decisions with the need to act decisively and believe in your thesis? Join us as we explore real-world examples, investment committee dynamics, and the strategies that set world-class investors apart.
Join us for a special anniversary episode of Durable Value as we reflect on five years of podcasting and 17 years in business together. Hosts Joe and Ryan share candid insights on personal growth, leadership, and the evolution of their company. From navigating market cycles and scaling a team to the enduring power of friendship and core values, this episode is packed with wisdom for entrepreneurs, investors, and anyone interested in building something that lasts.
In this episode of Durable Value, we take you behind the scenes of our recent acquisition—the Elk Grove Industrial Complex in Sacramento, CA. Discover how we sourced the deal, why this property stood out, and the strategies we use to unlock value in multi-tenant industrial assets. We discuss market dynamics, the importance of fresh eyes, and how private ownership creates ongoing opportunities for value-add investors. Whether you’re a real estate professional or an investor, this episode is packed with actionable insights and real-world examples.
In this episode of Durable Value, we dive deep into a real-world case study: the acquisition, turnaround, and rebranding of The Lofts at Stadium Square in Fresno. Join us as we break down the sourcing, negotiation, due diligence, and execution that turned a struggling student housing property into a thriving multifamily asset. Learn about the challenges, strategies, and lessons from one of our most successful investments to date.
In this episode of Durable Value, we talk about the science of failure—why even great companies and properties can drift off course, and how to recognize and prevent the subtle missteps that lead to bigger problems. We discuss the difference between luck and skill in investing, the dangers of narrative reinforcement, and practical strategies for building resilience in your business. Whether you're a real estate investor, entrepreneur, or leader, you'll find actionable insights to help you avoid common pitfalls and turn failures into stepping stones for long-term success.
In this episode, Ryan and Joe talk about an intriguing philosophical concept relevant to both life and investing: 'The Map is Not the Terrain.' The discussion touches upon creating mental models, the importance of conservatism in investing, psychological biases, misidentification of market cycles, execution friction, and much more.
In this episode of 'Durable Value,' host Ryan sits down with Larry Hass, a seasoned partner at DRB Law Firm, specializing in real estate law. They speak about Larry's extensive career, his transition from government roles at the SEC and Department of Labor to private practice, and the evolution of real estate investments over the last 50 years. The discussion covers the emergence of pension fund investments, the impact of regulatory changes, and the shifts in investment landscapes and property types over the decades. Larry also shares insights on the Pension Real Estate Association's role and offers advice for new entrants into the industry.
In Episode 76 of Durable Value, hosts Ryan Swehla and Joe Muratore talk about the essential framework for real estate investing, drawing on their experience to provide invaluable insights. They break down the three key legs that support successful investing: mastering strategic vision, balancing risk and reward, and excelling through execution. With real-world examples and practical advice, this episode is a must-listen for anyone serious about real estate investment.
In this episode of Durable Value, Ryan discusses building resilient investment portfolios in unpredictable economic conditions. The discussion includes the impact of inflation and recession fears, key attributes of a resilient portfolio, the importance of geographic diversification, and strategies for weathering economic downturns.
In this episode of 'Durable Value', hosts Ryan Swehla and Joe Muratore talk about the psychology behind risk and reward, particularly in the context of real estate investing. They discuss topics such as loss aversion, market cycles, and balancing caution with optimism, providing valuable insights and practical advice for investors at any stage in their career.
In this episode of Durable Value, Joe Muratore and Ryan Swehla talk about the intricacies of portfolio composition and the vital role diversification plays within it. They explore various aspects, from balancing risk and opportunity to the importance of geographic and asset-type diversification. Whether you're invested in industrial, multifamily, or both, learn how to strategically navigate your investments in secondary and tertiary markets.
In this episode of Durable Value, Joe and Ryan weigh in on the essential role of investment committees in making sound investment decisions. They discuss how investment committees serve as a system of checks and balances, ensuring alignment with overall objectives and providing a platform for objective critique and strategic approval. The conversation covers various topics, including the structure of their investment committee, the importance of experience, the dynamic nature of investment committees, and real-life scenarios illustrating their decision-making process.
In this episode of Durable Value, Ryan Swehla sits down with Peter Finley, head of institutional capital markets at Graceada Partners. With his extensive background in real estate and capital markets, Peter shares invaluable insights from his days in the Navy to navigating market cycles on Wall Street. He discusses the evolution of institutional landscapes, his experiences during the S&L crisis, GFC, and more. We get a detailed look into the cyclical nature of the financial markets and timeless wisdom for upcoming capital raisers.
In this episode, from the 2024 investor day, Ryan talks about the why of Graceada partners. He talks about the foundational principles and history of Graceada Partners, exploring their conservative investment strategies, lessons learned from the Great Financial Crisis, and their focus on secondary and tertiary real estate markets in the Western U.S. He also highlights the firm's unique competitive advantages, risk mitigation measures, and the importance of conservative leverage in maintaining resilient and profitable investments.
In this episode of Durable Value, Ryan speaks with Jonathan Woloshin, Head of Real Estate Research for UBS Wealth Management's CIO Office. Jonathan shares insights on his role and expertise in the U.S. real estate market, from residential and commercial real estate to lodging, and discusses key trends and regulatory actions affecting the sector. The conversation touches on the historical context of real estate cycles, the challenges and opportunities in today's market, and investment strategies for different asset classes. Jonathan also shares his career on Wall Street and offers advice for young professionals entering the field.
Ed Sprague recently joined our resident long-suffering Oakland A’s fan, Joe Muratore, to share insights into how he approaches talent development in his current and past roles in various baseball organizations. Ed is the only baseball player to win championships in college, Major League Baseball, and the Olympics.
In this episode of Durable Value, Joe and Ryan discuss the increasing trend of niche investing in the institutional real estate space. They explore why more capital is being allocated to private real estate and the advantages of focusing on secondary and tertiary markets. With an emphasis on multifamily and multi-tenant industrial properties, they weigh the benefits of specialization, the importance of operational efficiency, and how a focused approach can provide a hedge against market cycles.
In Episode 66 of Durable Value, Ryan and Joe discuss how to manage risk in an economic downturn and how they mitigate risk by buying well, being conservative with debt, and focusing on growing NOI.
In Episode 65 of Durable Value, Ryan and Joe discuss the advantages of investing in secondary and tertiary markets compared to larger gateway cities.
Ryan Swehla from Graceada Partners shares his presentation for UC Berkeley Haas Business School’s executive education program for public pension trustees.
Joe Muratore from Graceada Partners speaks with Greg Campbell about insights on leadership.
Ryan Swehla from Graceada Partners speaks with Lori Torres, serial CEO and entrepreneur and founder of Parcel Pending.
Ryan Swehla from Graceada Partners interviews Paul Dolinoy, a member of the advisory board, who shares his professional journey in real estate investing over the past 50 years. He discusses the evolution of institutional investing, the changing landscape of real estate investment, lessons learned from his career, advising emerging managers, and advice for newcomers. He also shares insights into his personal hobbies.
This episode, hosted by Joe Muratore and Ryan Swehla focuses on the unique investment strategy of targeting secondary and tertiary markets in the Western United States. The discussion centers around the potential for investors to capitalize on a $1.6 trillion opportunity in apartment and industrial building markets across the West. Drawing parallels with the In N Out Burger's expansion model, they explain how strategic geographic expansion along major North-South highways (I-5, I-15, I-25) can create brand and staffing synergies and lead to high growth and high return on investment due to the inefficiency and lack of competition in these markets. Joe & Ryan envision expanding from their current presence in seven states to a broader footprint that captures a significant share of the market. The conversation concludes with future growth expectations and an invitation for more investors to join their journey to 'Own The West' with a strategy that promises higher returns by navigating these less competitive, yet populous markets efficiently.
As Graceada Partners approaches 15 years in business - Joe & Ryan discuss their friendship and broader business partnership that spans 40 years (going all the way back to and a seventh grade incident that resulted in a dual suspension). From real estate negotiations to the challenges of starting a business at the onset of a global financial crisis, Joe & Ryan reflect on the valuable lessons learned along their journey.
Joe & Ryan discuss the concept of value add real estate investing and its role in a portfolio. They explain that value add real estate investing involves buying properties with a specific plan to create the most value as quickly as possible, resulting in higher returns compared to a cash flow-oriented approach.
Jeff Burrow, founder and lead advisor at Sierra Ocean Custom Wealth joins Ryan Swehla to share his point of view and background from starting out on Wall Street at 22 to founding his own RIA firm in Ripon, CA.
Joe Muratore from Graceada Partners speaks with Nathan Torinus, the founder and CEO of TOR Wealth Advisors. Nathan specializes wealth advisory to business owners and high net worth familes. Today he talks about how Graceada Partners and similar companies help him to provide smart investments with unique diversification for his clients, and how his clients appreciate this on a financial level, but also a creative level.
Joe Muratore from Graceada Partners speaks with Nathan Torinus, the founder and CEO of TOR Wealth Advisors. Nathan specializes wealth advisory to business owners and high net worth familes. Today he talks about how Graceada Partners and similar companies help him to provide smart investments with unique diversification for his clients, and how his clients appreciate this on a financial level, but also a creative level.
Our keynote speaker for Built to Last 2023, Graceada Partners’ Annual Investor Meeting was Steve Young. Steve shared insights and wisdom that has led to a successful career both on and off the football field.
